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Aron 41D	rules	#21	[-]
Posts: 59 (06/29/08 10:06 PM) Four Cylinder More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	cannot have a roller cam at rw7. 2 barrel carb size limit, no angle plug heads. all these are legal at stateline eriez. i wont pay money to downgrade my motor so i can run a track an hour and a half away and become less competitive at my home tracks. just doesnt make sense to me. and just to clarify i dont have anywhere near 17000 in my street stock. that would be foolish one thing you need to remember also...the street stocks nowadays are not the pure stocks from years past. i remember your driver about 15 years ago in the "cadet" class at s/e. his car back then equals what our street stocks are now. i may only have been racing for 5 years now but ive been around the track for 20. every class is getting expensive to run regardless. every class is evolving with the times. every one is spending more to race. in my opinion if someone wants to spend 20000 on a street stock let them do it. thats their perrogative. the amount spent in each class shouldnt matter anyhow. your 17000 invested to win 750 about equals my 8000 invested to win 200. neither of us are making money. we dont do this for the money just for the fun you said that yourself. a crate may be fairly cheap to run.....if you can afford to spend 17000...which i cant. i cant even afford a damn street stock lol
carkim		#22	[-]
Posts: 331 (06/29/08 10:19 PM) Emod More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dave, Maybe the fundamental difference in our thought process could be that you and I have a different view of RW7's rule. Driver Eligibility: this division is intended for "entry level" and "regular" street stock drivers who support the division on a weekly basis. Drivers who compete in this division may compete in this division only. This rule will also be included for any open show and post season show. I think Rusty meets the rules, and is not participating in, nor has never participated in any other class (E-Mods or Crates). Rusty "competes in this division and this division only." Does he HAVE to move up, NO. Does he want to move up, YES. So, to answer your question, do I think BB-Mods are entry level, my answer is "I Don't know" What must I do to be a BB-Mod Driver? If the first Race Car I ever built was a Big Block, would I be able to race, or would I be denied? I do see some of your points and I surely don't want to get into semantics. I guess we can agree to disagree. Good luck this Friday at the Classic.
pildner08		#23	[-]
Posts: 18 (06/29/08 10:38 PM) Four Cylinder More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	i probaly have no say in this but i feel that in order to be the best you have to beat the best. so beat the best....
wiley85		#24	[-]
Posts: 44 (06/29/08 10:54 PM) Four Cylinder More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	you know ur right aaron. who in their right mind is gonna downgrade their engine to run a track that is way out in ohio. i wouldnt and i wouldnt be surprised if nobody did. that is just dumb to me.
hollywood5t		#25	[-]
Posts: 382 (06/30/08 12:43 AM) Emod More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Notthing against Rusty cause he's one hell of a wheel man,but I haven't gone to Raceway 7 to even watch this year,cause I know exactly who's gonna win every night and to me thats not fun.I'm sorry but street stocks now-a-days are just as much as building a emod or a crate or anything anymore,street stocks are getting out of hand.For as much as he's got into that new street stock he built, he prolly coulda had a nice emod or a crate. I just don't understand if you wanna move up then why build a new car in the same division you have been racing in for so many years? I know Rusty has one hell of a motor and prolly would be very competitive in emod and all.You can find rollers cheap on ebay,racingjunk,anywhere now-a-days, I know where theres a roller emod right now and I mean complete roller add motor and trans for $2500. for the price you have into a new roller street stock is about the same price into a roller emod now. But thats just my 2 cents.
wiley85		#26	[-]
Posts: 45 (06/30/08 02:47 AM) Four Cylinder More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	hollywood there are alot more to an emod or crate late model than you think. with a stock car you either have a coil spring or leaf spring setup with regular shocks. with an emod or crate you have a 4 -link, a 3link, or a swing arm rear suspension. with coilover shocks, aluminum bord cages, 5tharms, racing rack and pinions compared to conventional stock steering components, all aluminum body as to a body from a monte ready to mount and rivet off of a boneyard car. a lot more maintenance and cost on coil over shocks than regular shocks. now motors. you tell me one guy than has a cast iron block 358 or somethin that is outrunning guys like dave hess, randy hall, justin carlson. there isnt so therefore if you wanna compete your prolly gonna have to run the motors that late model drivers have to even keep up. you dont need one or prolly cant afford one if your running a stock car. i mean i could go on and on about how much more stuff there is and how much more a crate or emod costs than to maintain a stock car. i mean if you race you know that late models and emods are very expensive and require a lot more maintenance that a stock car.
3jpierceman		#27	[-]
Posts: 1447 (06/30/08 06:23 AM) Super Stock More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	aron you gotta realize i bought on of robbie blairs cars with everything on it. it was a very good car, but you can get lm's for 5,000 - 7000 bucks and win in crates. some even buy cheaper cars and run competitive. but racing is exspensive, and times are tough. i didn't think raceway 7 made that many changes to pure stocks, so i don't blame your there. i thought you could run a 4 barrel but add weight?
fanofthedirt		#28	[-]
Posts: 232 (06/30/08 08:05 AM) Street Stock More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I believe the changes that were made this year at RW7 were to not only save racers $$ in the long run, but also try an attract other race teams from surrounding tracks. Last year there were anywhere between 35-50 street stocks at Sharon Speedway. Why wouldn't RW7 try an attract some of those race teams ? That's why our rules this year are just about a carbon copy of Sharon Speedway's rules this year. I realize that RW7 has not drawn as many cars as they would have liked from that area this year. This is due to the 4.00+ at the pumps and everything else across the board. Racing is not for everyone. Most guys can only afford to run 1 night a week at best. When times are as tough as they are now who can blame guys from running closer to home ? The car counts that we are getting are very close to the numbers we had when we were allowed to run the bigger tires. Only difference is the wheels now cost half as much and the tires are about 30.00 dollars cheaper. And most nights you can run the same 4 tires for the heat and the feature. So as far as saving the racers money, I feel that with the rules changes, RW7 has accomplished what they set out to do. The car counts are getting better the last two weeks. Maybe the reason is teams feel that they have just as good a chance as anyone to maybe have a sucessful night racing at RW7. I don't think there is anyone out there that has been to the races in the last two weeks that could say that the racing in the SS class could be any better and closer than what it has been. You now have maybe 10 cars that could win the feature on any given night. Not just one as in the past 3-4 years. From a business standpoint, this is what RW7 or any other track needs to keep the race teams and the fans they bring to the races, comming back week after week. Giving different race teams the opportunity to succeed and hopefully continue to move up to the higher level classes in order to replace some of those drivers in the upper classes that are either retiring or getting out of the sport for one reason or another is how I would think that racing has survived as long as it has. Could you imagine if there were no drivers that would move up to the other divisions ? Where would racing be ? In order for racers to want to move up from an entry level division, they probably would need to first to feel that they have had some sucess in that entry level division. From what I have seen in the last 3-4 years @ RW7 there has been one driver that has fit into this category. He needs to step aside and let some of these other teams have a chance at the sucess that he has had now for the past 4 years. I would think in an entry level division, that is what it should be about ? But that is just my opinion.
Darwins Little Beagle		#29	[-]
Posts: 210 (06/30/08 08:19 AM) Street Stock More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I sure wouldn't call the current street/pro/super stocks (depending on your area of the county) an "entry level" race car. The amateur/hobby/pure stocks (again, depends on your part of the county) fit that bill much better. This whole post is a pretty good exercise on spending other peoples money; and telling them which division to race in and how long that they have to do it. A lot of people have died just so I could race in whatever division I wanted to for as long as I wanted to.
fastga		#30	[-]
Posts: 9 (06/30/08 10:21 AM) Four Cylinder More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I have some opinions, and one question Opinion-Wheeler puts butts in seats, and there havent been many butts in seats at 7 lately. He puts on a show, in a otherwise fairly average class. He has many fans. He gets away with a lot, but you take what you can get as a driver, any beef's should be with the flagger or management or whoever lets what goes on, go on. He's on top in that class and gives drivers something to shoot for. Opinion-The idiots he was arguing with 2 weeks ago should go back to no class Painesville Spdway where they came from. Question-Does Rusty even own that 44 mini stock anymore??? P.S anyone see him making laps in Jack Youngs emod after the races late last season? He looked FAST! Like he could handle a emod no problem. If he ever moves on im sure there are 3-4 others that can dominate that class, if not, eventually someone may catch up to his talent.
m80racin		#31	[-]
Posts: 16 (06/30/08 01:42 PM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I was at 7 the other night and they dq Carlos 4 being under weight . What is up with that ?? He looked pretty good in Rustys old car . By the way Wiley85 last year Quincy won a few emod races with a old 358 from a street stock . (Cast bottom end).
DirtWracin		#32	[-]
Posts: 5 (06/30/08 02:12 PM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Alright... bottom line is that racing is expensive, no matter which class you run in. It doesn't help that gas is over $4.00 a gallon just to get there. Maintenance on any car is expensive, unless you have sponsors with really deep pockets. Yes, you should race in a class that you can somewhat afford; however, when you have won a championship at a track for two or more years, it's time to let someone else have a chance. I think that's all that FanOfTheDirt is saying. No need to argue the fact that Rusty's proven himself... time and time again. He's good... so someone pick him up, will ya? LOL There are many drivers in the SS division at RW7 that are capable of winning a feature IF everyone competes according to the rules. Not sure that will ever happen, but I've certainly enjoyed seeing so many different feature winners so far this year. It's clear, by reading this, that some people believe that Rusty fills seats at RW7; however, it is the belief of others that when you know who's going to win, what's the sense of coming and watch?? I think he empties seats just as much as he fills them. Either way... let's just hope that with these hard economic times, people continue to support our local dirt tracks. If not, then we'll ALL have something to REALLY complain about!
carkim		#33	[-]
Posts: 333 (06/30/08 02:28 PM) Emod More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	m80racin wrote: I was at 7 the other night and they dq Carlos 4 being under weight . What is up with that ?? He looked pretty good in Rustys old car . By the way Wiley85 last year Quincy won a few emod races with a old 358 from a street stock . (Cast bottom end). Yes I was under the allowable weight by 10 pounds. The way I felt after they told me that, it felt like 200 pounds. I was my fault completely. I was told to fill up my fuel cell before the feature, and I just didn't do it. As I stated on another thread, I learned my lesson the hard way. I hope that never happens again, I felt horrible.
wiley85		#34	[-]
Posts: 46 (06/30/08 03:20 PM) Four Cylinder More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	ok mease. but tell me this did quincy win a lot last year????? no. he won like what 2 maybe 3 at stateline if that. it was either justin carlson, dave hess, randy hall, or tom hagberg. im just trying to make a point to hollywood that there is alot more expensive parts and setup required in an emod or crate than a stock car. plus motors dont win races, tires do. but also on that note i think an all aluminum race motor like a 415 or 420 that late models and emods run is gonna walk a stock 358 all cast motor.
hollywood5t		#35	[-]
Posts: 383 (06/30/08 05:16 PM) Emod More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	wiley85 wrote: ok mease. but tell me this did quincy win a lot last year????? no. he won like what 2 maybe 3 at stateline if that. it was either justin carlson, dave hess, randy hall, or tom hagberg. im just trying to make a point to hollywood that there is alot more expensive parts and setup required in an emod or crate than a stock car. plus motors dont win races, tires do. but also on that note i think an all aluminum race motor like a 415 or 420 that late models and emods run is gonna walk a stock 358 all cast motor. Hmmm I do race and I know how much I have into my street stock, and its WAYYYYYYYYYY to much! For the price I have into my street stock I'm sure with a lil more seat time and lil bit better stuff in my engine I could prolly be a top 10 emod or even put someone in my car that can drive better. I'm sure if you took the 44s engine apart youd be amazed whats in it. Emods still run cast iron block aftermarket or not there still cast iron,only cars running aluminum blocks are full blown late models and some still run aftermarket steel like dat,motown and so on.What kinda car do you run wiley85? Now there is alot more technology in the suspensions of street stocks then there ever was,street stocks now are like late models back in the day.You tell me how a street stock like Rusty's pulls the left front up just a a full blown late model does???? Theres notthing "STOCK" about these cars anymore.Sunday we spent 6 hours scaling my car,just for all the percentages right and moving wieght round and playing with everything on the car.I've been racing since 2005 learned alot of racing and everyone thats has been helping me out. I'm sure with what Rusty has into it car he would be good in a emod,even if he sold his car he oculd get a crate I'm sure. With metric full frame car you can have a 3-link set up too,pan-hard bar etc,theres alot more set-ups with street stocks now, then there was 5 years ago. I've been round emods and lates,Hess is a good friend of mine actually, I got a friend in the crate class, and a crap load of friends in emod, I know how they work.Theres so much I can type but I might as well write a book then. I know how racecars work.
Bush67		#36	[-]
Posts: 1144 (06/30/08 05:47 PM) Super Stock More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	hess won a ton of features with a 358 in one of his emods, then the 29 showed up at eriez and kicked his ass... so they put the 415 back in it and won the next week, lol wiley you are dead wrong about tires winning races, tires nor engines win races.... drivers win races, i have seen plenty of drivers with crap engines, mediocre parts and junk tires win races solely because of talent/ability i agree that rusty has proven himself many times over, i actually wish i would have been able to race up there more the last couple seasons trying to chase down that orange 44.... i was busy at home chasing down a yellow 27 on sundays (that everyone pretty much said all the same things about) bottom line is i would not be the driver that i am now had it not been for trying to catch them fast guys, slaney now races limited late and has been winning races in that class as well, it is just a matter of time before the same thing happens to rusty, the complaining will force him to change either classes or race tracks i am not against the now defunct rule that rw7 had, two consecutive championships and you either moved up or sat out a year, it is a controversial rule and it has several positives and negatives Last Edited By: Bush67 06/30/08 06:01 PM. Edited 1 times.
3ERacing		#37	[-]
Posts: 40 (06/30/08 07:02 PM) Four Cylinder More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	well put Bush, but tires are a very big part to help win races! i run tires that have been sitting around for 3 or 4 years and struggle trying to make the car work better but when i can actually buy a couple tires here and there (which is not very often) haha.. it makes me or anyone else for that matter way more competive! and as far as people moving up in classes i don't disagree with that either but i also know what its like going from winning and now to where i am now because of the money aspect in emod, i just can't get myself to step down DustinEckman
Bush67		#38	[-]
Posts: 1145 (06/30/08 10:12 PM) Super Stock More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	i'm not saying that it doesn't make any difference... good tires will make a good driver faster, but my point is if you suck nothing you buy will fix it lol, you can spend all the money you want and you will still get beaten by the guy that that can wheel.... for example how many guys spend twice as much as you, yet finish behind you (as long as your car doesn't break) everyone talks non stop about rustys horsepower and illegal motors, but i have raced with him a couple times and my car was normally as fast if not faster than his in the straits, but man he crushed me in the corners, i ran a king of the hill race against him once and i beat him into the corner by 3/4 of a car but from the center off he pulled ahead and continued to get farther and farther away in every corner... there is nothing i can run out and buy to make my car faster in the corner... thats all on my shoulders with set up, and not being a sissy getting in to the corner, lol
m80racin		#39	[-]
Posts: 17 (06/30/08 11:16 PM) More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Better luck next week Carlos , you looked good . That is Rusty old car Right ?? Wiley85 you are right about it costing a boat load more to run emod and other higher classes . But you are not right about a aluminmum block emod . And what does it matter how many races Quincy won . He won with a low budget motor is the point I was trying to get across .
wiley85		#40	[-]
Posts: 47 (06/30/08 11:24 PM) Four Cylinder More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	exactly what you said hollywood. i went to school for this stuff at university of northwestern ohio which is a very well respected college in the automotive high performance schools. i learned alot there too and ur right panhard bars and weight transfer is what prolly gets his left front to come off the ground. he prolly has so much weight transfer from the left front to the riht rear that he has a negative transfer on his front left. i wishi could write more too cuz ive been around late models since john lacki startedracing and ive helped out the lobbs too and they have tought me alot of stuff bout setups too maybe u should discussthis with them also.

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